By NastyNils·
Motorcycle comparison · Hyper Naked
KTM 1290 Super Duke R (MY2014) vs BMW S 1000 R (K47)
KTM 1290 Super Duke R vs BMW S 1000 R: which one to buy, and what actually separates them.
Turn the KTM 1290 Super Duke R in at speed and the front doesn't wander: firmer springs and reworked bars keep it hooked up. The BMW S 1000 R holds its line without corrections.
So which one do you buy?
The S 1000 R has the edge if…
Racetrack use
Edges it: S 1000 R
On a closed course, the S 1000 R edges ahead. Most of that is more feel through the bars. Not by enough to settle it.
Sporty riding on twisty roads
Nose ahead: S 1000 R
Once the road starts to bend, the S 1000 R noses ahead. Your own skill counts for more than a gap this size.
Which one's the smarter buy
Money won't decide it
The 1290 Super Duke R costs a bit less, but that doesn't make it the better buy. Neither bike is the clear winner on value alone. Your choice depends on what you want the bike to do.
What makes each one tick
1290 Super Duke R
On a racetrack, the 1290 Super Duke R doesn't need to make excuses. Its throttle wakes a V-twin that piles on 106 lb-ft (144 Nm) by 6,500 rpm. The seat perches you in a supermoto-style stance that's set up for hard charging, not long days. The fork reports every seam.
Nils rode the 1290 Super Duke R in Andalusia in 2013, in Andalusia, Austria, Hungary, and the Czech Republic in 2014, in 2015, and in Austria in 2017 (NastyNils Testride).
S 1000 R
Stripped of its superbike bodywork, the S 1000 R gets an inline-four that's retuned to pull from low revs. Despite a lower ceiling than the full-race version, there's always engine available when you need it. On straights and through long, fast sweepers, the chassis feels composed in a way that's unusual for a bike with no fairing. Through the tight switchbacks of Angeles Crest Highway, the tall, wide handlebar means you'll place it exactly where you want. Its exhaust howls like a stripped race four.
Nils rode the S 1000 R in Spain in 2013, in Andalusia, Spain, and the Czech Republic in 2014, in Andalusia in 2015, and in Austria in 2017 (NastyNils Testride).
The Voice of Experience
What actually separates them
- The S 1000 R has the lower seat: 32.0 in (814 mm) vs 32.9 in (835 mm).
- The 1290 Super Duke R makes more peak power: 179 hp (132 kW) vs 160 hp (118 kW).
- The 1290 Super Duke R makes more peak torque: 106 lb-ft (144 Nm) vs 83 lb-ft (112 Nm).
Which one for the way you ride
Comfortable long-distance riding
Neither is a natural fit
Neither of these is a mile-muncher. If big days are the plan, keep looking.
Don't look for a gap on character and commuting: there isn't one. Go by how each one fits you.
Who each one is built for
What's good, and what you'll live with
1290 Super Duke R
Strengths
- Lean Clearance For Days
- Built Right For Tall Riders
- Electronics That Enable, Not Dull
- It Holds Up Long Term
- Brembo M50 stopping power
Trade-offs
- Stock Pipe Sounds Lifeless
- Nothing Between You And The Wind
- Long Sweepers Expose The Chassis
- Insurance Bites Younger Buyers
- Aggressive ergonomics, limited long-distance comfort
S 1000 R
Strengths
- Usable torque, race character
- Third gear does everything
- Savage, relentless acceleration
- Traction control adds speed
- Three bikes in one
Trade-offs
- Suspension too stiff
- Wind hits hard at speed
- Loses ground on long straights
- Never lets you settle
- Cold-start and low-speed fueling glitches
Known problems to check before you buy
1290 Super Duke R
- Brembo radial master cylinder plastic piston cracking — recall (NHTSA Recall 18V-033) Recall 18V033000 The plastic (PPS polymer) piston in the front master cylinder could crack or break under heavy load, hard ABS engagement, or after a tip-over, leading to loss of front-brake function. Remedy: dealer replaces the plastic piston with an aluminum piston.
- Fuel tank threaded-insert leak — recall (NHTSA Recall 15V-441) Recall 15V441000 Threaded inserts at the rear of the plastic fuel tank could leak fuel due to a coating-process irregularity in tank manufacture. Risk of fuel ignition if combined with an ignition source. KTM notified affected owners; remedy was inspection and sealing of the inserts, or tank replacement where an existing leak was found.
- Radiator top-rail seam splitting The top-right (sometimes top-left) seam of the radiator splits along the upper rail. Owners attribute the failure to radiator-mount design and stress transfer from the freely-rotating exhaust clamp. Symptom: visible coolant weep from the upper radiator seam, eventual coolant loss and overheating risk.
- Clutch slave cylinder rubber-seal swelling and air ingress The OEM clutch slave cylinder rubber seal swells over time, causing internal corrosion and air ingress in the hydraulic line. Symptoms: milky or dark clutch fluid, hard-to-find neutral, hot-clutch fade, repeated bleeding required. Re-sealing rarely lasts; owners typically replace with billet aftermarket units (Oberon, Rottweiler).
- Hydraulic cam chain tensioner loses pressure The factory cam chain tensioner is hydraulic and runs on engine oil pressure. It can bleed down or fail to hold pressure, which leaves the timing chain slack. The usual symptom is a ticking or rattling noise from the cam chain area, most noticeable at idle or just after a cold start before oil pressure builds.
- Fuel pump failure — low fuel pressure, stalling, no-start "Fuel Pump Failure" warning, bike cuts out, hangs at approximately 5,500 rpm, will not restart. KTM identified the fuel filter and/or pump motor as the cause of low fuel pressure; a replacement kit (seals, gaskets, filters, motor) is supplied by the dealer.
- Rear wheel bearing failure due to swingarm water ingress The Gen 1 single-sided swingarm has no internal drain hole. Water collects inside the swingarm, corroding the rear wheel hub bearings. Symptoms: vague "steering" feel from the rear wheel under on/off throttle. Owners frequently find a half-cup of water when removing the axle adjuster. KTM addressed this on the Gen 2 swingarm by adding a drain hole — a tacit confirmation of the Gen 1 design defect.
- Side-stand sensor failure — no-start or stalling Side-stand sensor fails — often a magnet-related fault contaminated by chain-area debris. Bike will not start or stalls when in gear. The 1290 sensor uses a 50% duty-cycle pulse, so a simple bypass requires a dedicated dongle (Rottweiler, Vanasche).
- Jerky on/off throttle transition at low rpm Snatchy on/off transition at 2,500–3,500 rpm, particularly noticeable in Rain mode. Stock fueling is lean for emissions compliance. Many owners install aftermarket fueling modules (Rottweiler, Power Commander) or apply ECU updates from the dealer; outcomes vary.
- Front fork seals develop weeping / "tide marks" The seals on the WP upside-down fork can start to weep over time. Oily tide marks show up on the fork tubes just below the seals. The leak tends to come on gradually with use rather than being present from new. If left alone, the seeping fork oil leaves a residue that collects road grime and slowly lowers the oil level in the affected leg.
- Front brake light switch error / brake light stuck on Omron switch on the Brembo master cylinder fails. "Front Brake Switch" error appears on the dash; brake light may be stuck on, or a fault code is logged. Wire-routing strain at the master cylinder is the documented cause. Some owners report MTC (traction control) faults as a downstream side effect.
S 1000 R
- Cold-start stalling, rough idle, low-speed surging Idle hunting and stalling on cold start, particularly in cool ambient conditions; low-speed surging in low gears at light throttle. Linked to lean cold-start and cruise mapping in the Euro 3 ECU calibration. Aftermarket BoosterPlug sells a fix product specifically for the K47 that addresses this. Some bikes were resolved through a BMW software update; others by switching fueling devices.
- Vibration through handlebars and mirrors at 4,000–5,000 rpm and at sustained cruise The K47 inline-four has no counterbalancer. Riders report buzz through the bars, mirrors, and pegs at typical highway cruising rpm; mirrors blur above a certain speed, making rear vision difficult on highway runs. Heavier bar-end weights mitigate but do not eliminate it. The MY2017 facelift added vibration dampers at the handlebar clamps, which improved the issue but did not remove it.
- Left-side handlebar switch cube intermittent failures Switches on the left-side handlebar cluster — particularly the cruise-control and ride-mode buttons — fail intermittently, with users reporting the switch becoming unresponsive. Warranty replacement of the entire cluster is the typical fix.
- Cam-chain rattle / tensioner concerns on cold start On early production models, hydraulic cam chain tensioner leak-down can cause an audible rattle on cold start until engine oil pressure builds.
What they cost used
These prices compare a 10-year-old 1290 Super Duke R with a 10-year-old S 1000 R.
- 1290 Super Duke R
- $9,000
- S 1000 R
- $9,100
At ten years old, the KTM 1290 Super Duke R sits around $9,000 while the BMW S 1000 R lands near $9,100. That's a $100 gap. They're recorded figures, not live listings.
What they share
- Cooling
- Liquid-cooled
- Gearbox
- 6-speed
- Final drive
- Chain
- Front brake
- 320 mm
- Front tire
- 120/70-17
- Rear tire
- 190/55-17
Where the spec sheets split
| 1290 Super Duke R | S 1000 R | |
|---|---|---|
| Seat height | 32.9 in (835 mm) | 32.0 in (814 mm) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | S 1000 R | |
|---|---|---|
| Displacement | 1301 cc | 999 cc |
| Engine | 75° V-twin | Inline-four |
| Power | 179 hp (132 kW) | 160 hp (118 kW) |
| Peak power at | 8,870 rpm | 11,000 rpm |
| Torque | 106 lb-ft (144 Nm) | 83 lb-ft (112 Nm) |
| Peak torque at | 6,500 rpm | 9,250 rpm |
| Top speed | 180 mph (290 km/h) | 160 mph (257 km/h) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | S 1000 R | |
|---|---|---|
| Fuel economy | 31 mpg (US) / 7.5 L/100 km | 38 mpg (US) / 6.2 L/100 km |
| Fuel capacity | 4.8 US gal (18 L) | 4.6 US gal (17.5 L) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | S 1000 R | |
|---|---|---|
| Wheelbase | 58.3 in (1482 mm) | 56.7 in (1439 mm) |
What comes fitted, what costs extra
| 1290 Super Duke R | S 1000 R | |
|---|---|---|
| Wheelie Control | Standard | Option |
| Cruise Control | Standard (from 2017) | Option |
| TFT Display | Standard (from 2017) | Not offered |
| LED Headlight | Standard (from 2017) | Not offered |
Head to head, area by area
Both bikes on the same scale, one area at a time.