By NastyNils·
Motorcycle comparison · Hyper Naked vs Supermoto
KTM 1290 Super Duke R (MY2014) vs MV Agusta Rivale 800 (MY2013)
KTM 1290 Super Duke R vs MV Agusta Rivale 800: which one's easier to live with every day.
Pin the throttle on the KTM 1290 Super Duke R down a long straight, and it won't concede a thing to a superbike. On the MV Agusta Rivale 800, the same grip wakes a triple that's already swelling in the middle revs. Then it rushes for the redline, howling.
So which one do you buy?
The 1290 Super Duke R has the edge if…
Racetrack use
Narrow edge: 1290 Super Duke R
For a day at the track, the 1290 Super Duke R makes slightly more sense. Tires and suspension setup can easily flip a gap like that.
Keeping running costs low
Small edge: 1290 Super Duke R
Running costs lean slightly toward the 1290 Super Duke R. A well-kept example of either matters more.
The Rivale 800 has the edge if…
Sporty riding on twisty roads
Edges it: Rivale 800
The Rivale 800 is a touch more fun when the road starts bending. What tips it: lighter steering.
Which one's the smarter buy
Different classes, different trade-offs
The 1290 Super Duke R and the Rivale 800 do different jobs, so neither is the clear better buy for the money. You're paying for a specific type of ride, not a lower sticker price.
What makes each one tick
1290 Super Duke R
Through a quick corner, the 1290 Super Duke R's fork and shock stay precise, and there's a steady stream of feedback coming back. Hard on the brake lever, the fork's still talking as the bike stops. It'll run with superbikes on track.
Nils rode the 1290 Super Duke R in Andalusia in 2013, in Andalusia, Austria, Hungary, and the Czech Republic in 2014, in 2015, and in Austria in 2017 (NastyNils Testride).
Rivale 800
On the Coronado Trail, the Rivale 800's trellis frame carries it through each bend with a sportsbike's precision instead of a supermoto's twitch. The exhaust note's all its own. The tires keep hooking up deep into a corner.
The Voice of Experience
What actually separates them
- The 1290 Super Duke R has the lower seat: 32.9 in (835 mm) vs 34.7 in (881 mm).
- The 1290 Super Duke R makes more peak power: 179 hp (132 kW) vs 125 hp (92 kW).
- The 1290 Super Duke R makes more peak torque: 106 lb-ft (144 Nm) vs 62 lb-ft (84 Nm).
Which one for the way you ride
Nothing splits them on commuting. Ride both back to back and the decision usually makes itself.
Who each one is built for
What's good, and what you'll live with
1290 Super Duke R
Strengths
- Lean Clearance For Days
- Built Right For Tall Riders
- Electronics That Enable, Not Dull
- It Holds Up Long Term
- Brembo M50 stopping power
Trade-offs
- Stock Pipe Sounds Lifeless
- Nothing Between You And The Wind
- Long Sweepers Expose The Chassis
- Insurance Bites Younger Buyers
- Aggressive ergonomics, limited long-distance comfort
Rivale 800
What owners say
Strengths
- Potent and charismatic triple engine
Trade-offs
- Patchy reliability reputation
Known problems to check before you buy
1290 Super Duke R
- Brembo radial master cylinder plastic piston cracking — recall (NHTSA Recall 18V-033) Recall 18V033000 The plastic (PPS polymer) piston in the front master cylinder could crack or break under heavy load, hard ABS engagement, or after a tip-over, leading to loss of front-brake function. Remedy: dealer replaces the plastic piston with an aluminum piston.
- Fuel tank threaded-insert leak — recall (NHTSA Recall 15V-441) Recall 15V441000 Threaded inserts at the rear of the plastic fuel tank could leak fuel due to a coating-process irregularity in tank manufacture. Risk of fuel ignition if combined with an ignition source. KTM notified affected owners; remedy was inspection and sealing of the inserts, or tank replacement where an existing leak was found.
- Radiator top-rail seam splitting The top-right (sometimes top-left) seam of the radiator splits along the upper rail. Owners attribute the failure to radiator-mount design and stress transfer from the freely-rotating exhaust clamp. Symptom: visible coolant weep from the upper radiator seam, eventual coolant loss and overheating risk.
- Clutch slave cylinder rubber-seal swelling and air ingress The OEM clutch slave cylinder rubber seal swells over time, causing internal corrosion and air ingress in the hydraulic line. Symptoms: milky or dark clutch fluid, hard-to-find neutral, hot-clutch fade, repeated bleeding required. Re-sealing rarely lasts; owners typically replace with billet aftermarket units (Oberon, Rottweiler).
- Hydraulic cam chain tensioner loses pressure The factory cam chain tensioner is hydraulic and runs on engine oil pressure. It can bleed down or fail to hold pressure, which leaves the timing chain slack. The usual symptom is a ticking or rattling noise from the cam chain area, most noticeable at idle or just after a cold start before oil pressure builds.
- Fuel pump failure — low fuel pressure, stalling, no-start "Fuel Pump Failure" warning, bike cuts out, hangs at approximately 5,500 rpm, will not restart. KTM identified the fuel filter and/or pump motor as the cause of low fuel pressure; a replacement kit (seals, gaskets, filters, motor) is supplied by the dealer.
- Rear wheel bearing failure due to swingarm water ingress The Gen 1 single-sided swingarm has no internal drain hole. Water collects inside the swingarm, corroding the rear wheel hub bearings. Symptoms: vague "steering" feel from the rear wheel under on/off throttle. Owners frequently find a half-cup of water when removing the axle adjuster. KTM addressed this on the Gen 2 swingarm by adding a drain hole — a tacit confirmation of the Gen 1 design defect.
- Side-stand sensor failure — no-start or stalling Side-stand sensor fails — often a magnet-related fault contaminated by chain-area debris. Bike will not start or stalls when in gear. The 1290 sensor uses a 50% duty-cycle pulse, so a simple bypass requires a dedicated dongle (Rottweiler, Vanasche).
- Jerky on/off throttle transition at low rpm Snatchy on/off transition at 2,500–3,500 rpm, particularly noticeable in Rain mode. Stock fueling is lean for emissions compliance. Many owners install aftermarket fueling modules (Rottweiler, Power Commander) or apply ECU updates from the dealer; outcomes vary.
- Front fork seals develop weeping / "tide marks" The seals on the WP upside-down fork can start to weep over time. Oily tide marks show up on the fork tubes just below the seals. The leak tends to come on gradually with use rather than being present from new. If left alone, the seeping fork oil leaves a residue that collects road grime and slowly lowers the oil level in the affected leg.
- Front brake light switch error / brake light stuck on Omron switch on the Brembo master cylinder fails. "Front Brake Switch" error appears on the dash; brake light may be stuck on, or a fault code is logged. Wire-routing strain at the master cylinder is the documented cause. Some owners report MTC (traction control) faults as a downstream side effect.
Rivale 800
- Sprag clutch failure The sprag clutch (starter motor freewheel) can wear prematurely, causing grinding noises and eventual failure to start. The bike may only start with a push-start. Occurs on higher mileage units, often around 9,300-19,000 mi (15,000-30,000 km).
What they cost used
These prices compare a 10-year-old 1290 Super Duke R with a 10-year-old Rivale 800.
- 1290 Super Duke R
- about $9,000
- Rivale 800
- about $10,500
At ten years old, the KTM 1290 Super Duke R sits around $9,000 while the MV Agusta Rivale 800 runs about $10,500. That's a $1,500 gap in the KTM's favor. These are US market estimates, not live listings.
What they share
- Cooling
- Liquid-cooled
- Gearbox
- 6-speed
- Final drive
- Chain
- Front brake
- 320 mm
- Front tire
- 120/70-17
Where the spec sheets split
| 1290 Super Duke R | Rivale 800 | |
|---|---|---|
| Seat height | 32.9 in (835 mm) | 34.7 in (881 mm) |
| Dry weight | 417 lb (189 kg) | 392 lb (178 kg) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | Rivale 800 | |
|---|---|---|
| Displacement | 1301 cc | 798 cc |
| Engine | 75° V-twin | Inline-three |
| Power | 179 hp (132 kW) | 125 hp (92 kW) |
| Torque | 106 lb-ft (144 Nm) | 62 lb-ft (84 Nm) |
| Top speed | 180 mph (290 km/h) | 140 mph (225 km/h) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | Rivale 800 | |
|---|---|---|
| Fuel economy | 31 mpg (US) / 7.5 L/100 km | 26 mpg (US) / 9.1 L/100 km |
| Fuel capacity | 4.8 US gal (18 L) | 3.4 US gal (12.9 L) |
| 1290 Super Duke R | Rivale 800 | |
|---|---|---|
| Rear tire | 190/55-17 | 180/55-17 |
| Ground clearance | 5.5 in (140 mm) | 5.6 in (142 mm) |
What comes fitted, what costs extra
| 1290 Super Duke R | Rivale 800 | |
|---|---|---|
| Cruise Control | Standard (from 2017) | Not offered |
| Quickshifter | Not offered | Standard |
| Slipper Clutch | Standard | Not offered |
| Tire Pressure Monitoring (TPMS) | Standard | Not offered |
| Heated Grips | Option | Not offered |
Head to head, area by area
Both bikes on the same scale, one area at a time.